Yes, when they say it out loud, and have to actually look at the disbelief on everyone's faces, and get no looks of awe or praise, they just might have an inkling of how hollow their words ring.
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"So did the Holy Spirit get it wrong?"
by stuckinarut2 inin the australian royal commission, the issue of appointment of ministerial servants and elders came up for intense scrutiny.. using the elders books and society publication references, the prosecution questioned the premise that "holy spirit directs appointments".
the question was proposed as to whether this "process was accurate or was it flawed" seeing as many appointed ones were in fact not very righteous, or "spiritual".
indeed, the issue about "spirituality" was also raised, and the definition of what makes someone "spiritually mature" in the organisation's eyes was raised.
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ANNOUNCEMENT: Tomorrow, Reveal from the Center of Investigative Reporting is publishing a new text story on JW shunning and child abuse
by AndersonsInfo inreveal from the center of investigative reporting is publishing a new text story on shunning and child abuse starting thursday in the early morning, july 30, 2015. revealnews.org this is the same organization that ran outstanding stories about kathleen conti last february on the reveal website and on pbs nightly news.. the reveal radio story will air on saturday, august 1, 2015, and will be available at over 300 stations in the us.
see revealnews.org .
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2nd ANNOUNCEMENT: ID Discovery Channel, Monday, August 3rd @ 9 PM EST - a program about JW, Robert Bryant, murdering his family
by AndersonsInfo inplease tune in for the season 3 premiere of deadly devotion!
the first of 6 episodes will air on monday, august 3rd, 2015 at 9:00 pm est and it's about jws.
please check your local listings for the investigation discovery channel.
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Biblical Proof that JW Elders can not have Jehovah's or Jesus Spirit
by GodZoo insomething just occured to me.. like a lightening bolt in fact.
matthew 10:19 just popped into my head... new american standard bible 18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for my sake, as a testimony to them and to the gentiles.
19 "but when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.
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Biblical Proof that JW Elders can not have Jehovah's or Jesus Spirit
by GodZoo insomething just occured to me.. like a lightening bolt in fact.
matthew 10:19 just popped into my head... new american standard bible 18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for my sake, as a testimony to them and to the gentiles.
19 "but when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.
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These men seem incapable of answering very simple questions, even when asked three times, different ways..... They actually seem stupid.
I am sure the Australian public feels relieved that they have entrusted the protection of their children to the 'superior authorities' of this Satan ruled world, rather than to the higher law of the Bible, and the leadership in God's righteous organization.
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Clip of shocking testimony from Day 2 of the Royal Commission hearing
by cappytan ini posted this as a reply to another thread, but thought it deserved it's own thread to draw attention to this important moment in the day 2 testimony.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4fobrocc8.
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"OMG, how do I answer this and not get myself jailed?"
"OMG, how do I answer this and not get DF'd?"
"OMG, how do I answer this and not make the GB look bad?"
"OMG, how do I not bring reproach on this "Biblical, oh so better than the world's stupid laws, and Jehovah's name?"
"OMG, I forgot about the other kids"
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Sad about the past
by Gorbatchov intoday i feel deep sad memories in my brain.. visiting bookstudy with my parents, doing my best giving answers at 7 years old.. doing fieldservice every weekend and on an evening.. i could write so much story's about it.. we believed from our hart and listened to what the organisation told us.. it makes me sad, what a scam it became.. today i can't stand it.. i can cry about it.
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My heart goes out to you all, I was there too, and I agree!
The best revenge is to not let them get you!
I think this Australian court exposure on the cold hearted thinking and actions of the WT, GB, "Service Desk", "Legal Desk", CO's, DO's, Elders just may be the crack that starts the waters breaking out of the dam!
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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.
by AndersonsInfo inthe royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.
we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.
in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.
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The elder slipped up in one part of his testimony. He said "If we have a hesitation as to what we should do........ we call the branch!
There is the link.... 'we call the branch!"
The Society IS involved... it has been drummed into their heads so often "Now what do you do when?" so that it automatically comes out! "Call the branch!"
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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.
by AndersonsInfo inthe royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.
we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.
in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.
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The person that presented the preliminary report was AWESOME! He had statistics of how many cases of abuse among JW since 1950, 1,000+, and how many have have been reported to police authorities: zero.
He did a great job describing what evidence would be presented by the WT and by himself. He has shepherding book quotes, letters from the GB to prove they are involved in these child abuse cases, witnesses as to how these 'judicial meetings' (how high and mighty do they sound now Mr. T Obrien?) occur, how the women felt during them ("I had an easier time in court than I did in the congregation, in front of men, with no support")
I guess I will have to take notes on the next part! It is pretty EXCITING to watch them squirm as the gentleman presents his case! Live streaming! They are taking a break 'for the cameramen' and shall soon return to stream more!
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JW Hatred and Elders Apathetic Manners Drove Me Here! Why are JWs fooled in to thinking the WTS Cares?
by Judas Maccabee infor years i've been screwed with by some very bad people, people satan would kick out of his organization because even the devil might let up on evil just to allow someone to catch their breath.
with the jwism's bad people move up while good people move down or leave the kingdom hall for good.
i was talking with two elders who said "you know if you return to the kingdom hall, jehovah will bless you and these people will stop screwing with you.
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So sorry, Judas, it is very hard to see hypocrisy in something you've dedicated your life to, and even harder when your mate is not there to stand by your side.
Take some time to focus on yourself, sort through things.
It is absolutely maddening when people (no matter what religion) act as if they are "owed" everything.
Marriage is suppose to be a partnership...... is yours? Personally, over all the years I have lived, and all the struggling I have seen, I would advise: Take a good look at your life, your plus's and your minuses.
Have you talked with your parents? Get all the information you can (talk to a divorce attorney "How much will it cost me to divorce her? when will alimony stop? Does it matter who leaves the house? (I had a friend, left her abusive husband, moved out before the attorney, didn't get a GOOD attorney, and lost all her $$ she put into the house, boom!) "If she initiates the divorce, what will it mean for me financially?" She may be one of those people who just HOPE you will divorce her so she gets 'set for life'... Get all those questions answered. Be smart!)
I agree, WAIT, assimilate, cool down... don't make quick decisions.
I also agree with not wasting your life on false promises, you will regret it.
All of us have us have been disturbed by the duplicitous words and actions of the WT & people within. Their 'magic' get out of jail free card, "Wait on Jehovah," allows them to continue in their unethical shenanigans. Why would a God of love do that? Jesus threw the money changers OUT of the temple, right?
It is not just "in your congregation," as it was "not just in mine", but these people (like that elder Joe you mentioned) exist everywhere.... The same type of guy was in my hall... Say something nice to you, turn your back, he'd laugh and say something disparaging to the guy next to him and laugh.
People with money were allowed more wriggle room than others, and only as I left was I able to discover what a shallow world the "Society" was. "Can I make money from this?" OK, do it... "Does it stop me from making money?" OK, stop it. What you say or write to NY is of no consequence unless it stops their $$ flow.
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